UFC Welterweight Rankings

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Heavyweight (265)Light Heavyweight (205)Middleweight (185) – Welterweight (170) – Lightweight (155)Featherweight (145)Bantamweight (135)Flyweight (125)

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Women’s Featherweight (145)Women’s Bantamweight (135)Women’s Strawweight (115)

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Fighter  Last 3 FightsNext Fight
2017 UFC Signings:
Rob Wilkinson
Abu Azaitar
Jesse Taylor
Dhiego Lima
Tom Gallicchio
Frank Camacho
Oliver Enkamp
Li Jingliang
Galore Bofando
Luke Jumeau
Davi Ramos
Bobby Nash
2017 UFC Cuts:
Roan Carneiro
Richard Walsh
Viscardi Andrade
Joe Proctor (retired)
Michael Graves
Patrick Cote (retired)
Brandon Thatch
Li Jingliang
Nicolas Dalby
Erick Montano
Albert Tumenov
James Moontasri (retired)
Lorenz Larkin
Rick Story
Bartosz Fabinski
Augusto Montano
Anton Zafir
Kyle Noke (retired)
Kenny Robertson
Sean Spencer
Ben Saunders
Andreas Stahl
Dominic Waters
Mike Jackson
Jonavin Webb
Edgar Garcia
John Howard
Matt Dwyer
Gasan Umalatov
Mike Pierce
Marcio Alexandre
Hayder Hassan
Steve Kennedy
Tyron Woodley
18-3-1 (8-2-1 UFC)
W-Demian Maia (DEC)
W-Stephen Thompson (DEC)
D-Stephen Thompson (DEC)
1 2Robbie Lawler
28-11 (12-5 UFC)
W-Donald Cerrone (DEC)
L-Tyron Woodley (KO)
W-Carlos Condit (DEC)
21Stephen Thompson
13-2-1 (8-2-1 UFC)
L-Tyron Woodley (DEC)
D-Tyron Woodley (DEC)
W-Rory MacDonald (DEC)
33Demian Maia
25-7 (19-7 UFC)
L-Tyron Woodley (DEC)
W-Jorge Masvidal (DEC)
W-Carlos Condit (SUB)
44Jorge Masvidal
32-12 (9-5 UFC)
L-Demian Maia (DEC)
W-Donald Cerrone (TKO)
W-Jake Ellenberger (TKO)
55Carlos Condit
30-10 (7-6 UFC)
L-Demian Maia (SUB)
L-Robbie Lawler (DEC)
W-Thiago Alves (TKO)
66Neil Magny
19-5 (12-4 UFC)
W-Johny Hendricks (DEC)
L-Lorenz Larkin (TKO)
W-Hector Lombard (TKO)
Rafael dos Anjos
09/09/2017
7 7Donald Cerrone
32-9 (19-6 UFC)
L-Robbie Lawler (DEC)
L-Jorge Masvidal (TKO)
W-Matt Brown (KO)
89Santiago Ponzinibbio
25-3 (7-2 UFC)
W-Gunnar Nelson (KO)
W-Nordine Taleb (DEC)
W-Zak Cummings (DEC)
910Rafael dos Anjos
26-9 (15-7 UFC)
W-Tarec Saffiedine (DEC)
L-Tony Ferguson (DEC)
L-Eddie Alvarez (TKO)
Neil Magny
09/09/2017
1011Gunnar Nelson
16-3-1 (7-3 UFC)
L-Santiago Ponzinibbio (KO)
W-Alan Jouban (SUB)
W-Albert Tumenov (SUB)
1113Kamaru Usman
10-1 (5-0 UFC)
W-Sean Strickland (DEC)
W-Warlley Alves (DEC)
W-Alexander Yakovlev (DEC)
Sergio Moraes
09/16/2017
128Colby Covington
12-1 (7-1 UFC)
W-Dong Hyun Kim (DEC)
W-Bryan Barberena (DEC)
W-Max Griffin (TKO)
1314Alex Oliveira
16-4-1 (7-2 UFC)
W-Ryan LaFlare (KO)
W-Tim Means (SUB)
NC-Tim Means (NC)
1412Dong Hyun Kim
22-4-1 (13-4 UFC)
L-Colby Covington (DEC)
W-Tarec Saffiedine (DEC)
W-Dominic Waters (TKO)
1515Tarec Saffiedine
16-7 (2-4 UFC)
L-Rafael dos Anjos (DEC)
L-Dong Hyun Kim (DEC)
L-Rick Story (DEC)
16Thiago Alves
22-11 (14-8 UFC)
W-Patrick Cote (DEC)
L-Jim Miller (DEC)
L-Carlos Condit (TKO)
Mike Perry
09/16/2017
17Mike Perry
10-1 (3-1 UFC)
W-Jake Ellenberger (KO)
L-Alan Jouban (DEC)
W-Danny Roberts (KO)
Thiago Alves
09/16/2017
18Jake Ellenberger
31-13 (10-9 UFC)
W-Mike Perry (TKO)
L-Jorge Masvidal (TKO)
W-Matt Brown (TKO)
19Matt Brown
20-16 (13-10 UFC)
L-Donald Cerrone (KO)
L-Jake Ellenberger (TKO)
L-Demian Maia (SUB)
Diego Sanchez
11/11/2017
20Ryan LaFlare
13-2 (6-2 UFC)
L-Alex Oliveira (KO)
W-Roan Carneiro (DEC)
W-Mike Pierce (DEC)
21Niko Price
11-0 (3-0 UFC)
W-Alan Jouban (TKO)
W-Alex Morono (KO)
W-Brandon Thatch (SUB)
22Leon Edwards
13-3 (5-2 UFC)
W-Vicente Luque (DEC)
W-Albert Tumenov (SUB)
W-Dominic Waters (DEC)
Bryan Barberena
09/02/2017
23 Tim Means
27-8-1 (9-5 UFC)
W-Alex Garcia (DEC)
L-Alex Oliveira (SUB)
NC-Alex Oliveira (NC)
24Emil Meek
9-2-1 (1-0 UFC)
W-Jordan Mein (DEC)
W-Rousimar Palhares (KO)
W-Christophe Dijcke (TKO)
25Sergio Moraes
12-2-1 (6-1-1 UFC)
W-Davi Ramos (DEC)
W-Zak Ottow (DEC)
D-Luan Chagas (DEC)
Kamaru Usman
09/16/2017
26Bryan Barberena
13-4 (4-2 UFC)
W-Joe Proctor (TKO)
L-Colby Covington (DEC)
W-Warlley Alves (DEC)
Leon Edwards
09/02/2017
27Warlley Alves
10-2 (4-2 UFC)
L-Kamaru Usman (DEC)
L-Bryan Barberena (DEC)
W-Colby Covington (SUB)
28 Alan Jouban
15-6 (6-4 UFC)
L-Niko Price (TKO)
L-Gunnar Nelson (SUB)
W-Mike Perry (DEC)
29Nordine Taleb
13-4 (5-2 UFC)
W-Oliver Enkamp (DEC)
L-Santiago Ponzinibbio (DEC)
W-Erick Silva (KO)
30Sean Strickland
18-2 (5-2 UFC)
L-Kamaru Usman (DEC)
W-Tom Breese (DEC)
W-Alex Garcia (TKO)
31Alberto Mina
13-0 (3-0 UFC)
W-Mike Pyle (KO)
W-Yoshihiro Akiyama (DEC)
W-Shinsho Anzai (SUB)
32Yancy Medeiros
14-4 (5-4 UFC)
W-Erick Silva (TKO)
W-Sean Spencer (SUB)
L-Francisco Trinaldo (DEC)
33Peter Sobotta
17-5-1 (4-4 UFC)
W-Ben Saunders (TKO)
W-Nicolas Dalby (DEC)
L-Kyle Noke (TKO)
34Ben Saunders
21-8-2 (8-5 UFC)
L-Peter Sobotta (TKO)
W-Court McGee (DEC)
W-Jacob Volkmann (SUB)
35Court McGee
18-6 (7-5 UFC)
L-Ben Saunders (DEC)
W-Dominique Steele (DEC)
L-Santiago Ponzinibbio (TKO)
36Jesse Taylor
31-15 (1-1 UFC)
W-Dhiego Lima (SUB)
W-James Krause (SUB)
W-Hayder Hassan (SUB)
37Zak Cummings
21-5 (6-2 UFC)
W-Nathan Coy (SUB)
W-Alexander Yakovlev (SUB)
L-Santiago Ponzinibbio (DEC)
38Erick Silva
19-8 (7-7 UFC)
L-Yancy Medeiros (TKO)
W-Luan Chagas (SUB)
L-Nordine Taleb (KO)
39Chad Laprise
12-2 (5-2 UFC)
W-Brian Camozzi (TKO)
W-Thibault Gouti (TKO)
L-Ross Pearson (DEC)
40Tom Breese
10-1 (3-1 UFC)
L-Sean Strickland (DEC)
W-Keita Nakamura (DEC)
W-Cathal Pendred (TKO)
41Danny Roberts
14-2 (3-1 UFC)
W-Bobby Nash (TKO)
L-Mike Perry (KO)
W-Dominique Steele (DEC)
42Alex Garcia
14-4 (4-3 UFC)
L-Tim Means (DEC)
W-Mike Pyle (KO)
L-Sean Strickland (TKO)
43Vicente Luque
11-6-1 (4-2 UFC)
L-Leon Edwards (DEC)
W-Belal Muhammad (KO)
W-Hector Urbina (KO)
44Belal Muhammad
12-2 (3-2 UFC)
W-Jordan Mein (DEC)
W-Randy Brown (DEC)
L-Vicente Luque (KO)
45Jordan Mein
29-12 (3-4 UFC)
L-Belal Muhammad (DEC)
L-Emil Meek (DEC)
L-Thiago Alves (KO)
46Mike Pyle
27-13-1 (10-8 UFC)
L-Alex Garcia (KO)
L-Alberto Mina (KO)
W-Sean Spencer (TKO)
47Elizeu Zaleski
17-5 (3-1 UFC)
W-Lyman Good (DEC)
W-Keita Nakamura (DEC)
W-Omari Akhmedov (TKO)
48Lyman Good
19-4 (1-1 UFC)
L-Elizeu Zaleski (DEC)
W-Andrew Craig (TKO)
W-Nah-Shon Burrell (SUB)
49Omari Akhmedov
17-4 (5-3 UFC)
W-Abdul Razak Alhassan (DEC)
W-Kyle Noke (DEC)
L-Elizeu Zaleski (TKO)
50James Krause
25-7 (6-3 UFC)
W-Tom Gallicchio (DEC)
L-Jesse Taylor (SUB)
W-Ramsey Nijem (DEC)
51Darren Till
14-0-1 (2-0-1 UFC)
W-Jessin Ayari (DEC)
D-Nicolas Dalby (DEC)
W-Wendell Oliveira (KO)
Bojan Velickovic
09/02/2017
52Keita Nakamura
32-8-2 (2-5 UFC)
L-Elizeu Zaleski (DEC)
W-Kyle Noke (SUB)
L-Tom Breese (DEC)
Alex Morono
09/23/2017
53Li Jingliang
13-4 (5-2 UFC)
W-Frank Camacho (DEC)
W-Bobby Nash (KO)
W-Anton Zafir (KO)
54Sultan Aliev
14-2 (1-1 UFC)
W-Bojan Velickovic (DEC)
L-Kenny Robertson (KO)
W-Charles Andrade (TKO)
55Bojan Velickovic
15-4-1 (2-1-1 UFC)
W-Nicholas Musoke (KO)
L-Sultan Aliev (DEC)
D-Michael Graves (DEC)
Darren Till
09/02/2017
56Luke Jumeau
12-3 (1-0 UFC)
W-Dominique Steele (DEC)
W-Vik Grujic (TKO)
W-Askar Mozharov (SUB)
Shinsho Anzai
09/23/2017
57Luan Chagas
15-2-1 (1-1-1 UFC)
W-Jim Wallhead (SUB)
L-Erick Silva (SUB)
D-Sergio Moraes (DEC)
58Zak Ottow
15-4 (2-1 UFC)
W-Kiichi Kunimoto (DEC)
L-Sergio Moraes (DEC)
W-Josh Burkman (DEC)
59Nicholas Musoke
13-5 (3-3 UFC)
L-Bojan Velickovic (KO)
L-Albert Tumenov (DEC)
W-Alexander Yakovlev (DEC)
60Alexander Yakovlev
23-8-1 (2-4 UFC)
L-Zak Cummings (SUB)
L-Kamaru Usman (DEC)
W-George Sullivan (KO)
61Randy Brown
9-2 (3-2 UFC)
L-Belal Muhammad (DEC)
W-Brian Camozzi (TKO)
W-Erick Montano (SUB)
62Alex Morono
13-4 (2-1 UFC)
L-Niko Price (KO)
W-James Moontasri (DEC)
W-Kyle Noke (DEC)
Keita Nakamura
09/23/2017
63Dhiego Lima
12-6 (1-4 UFC)
L-Jesse Taylor (SUB)
W-Tom Gallicchio (DEC)
W-Gilbert Smith (DEC)
64Galore Bofando
5-2 (1-0 UFC)
W-Charlie Ward (KO)
W-Kester Mamba (TKO)
L-Robert Skujins (DQ)
65Abdul Razak Alhassan
7-1 (1-1 UFC)
L-Omari Akhmedov (DEC)
W-Charlie Ward (KO)
W-Jos Eichelberger (TKO)
66Hyun Gyu Lim
13-6-1 (3-3 UFC)
L-Mike Perry (TKO)
L-Neil Magny (TKO)
W-Takenori Sato (TKO)
Daichi Abe
09/23/2017
67Max Griffin
13-3 (1-1 UFC)
W-Erick Montano (TKO)
L-Colby Covington (TKO)
W-David Mitchell (KO)
68Tom Gallicchio
19-10 (0-1 UFC)
L-James Krause (DEC)
L-Dhiego Lima (DEC)
W-Justin Edwards (SUB)
69Jonathan Meunier
8-1 (1-1 UFC)
W-Richard Walsh (DEC)
L-Colby Covington (SUB)
W-Francis Charbonneau (SUB)
70Kiichi Kunimoto
18-7-2 (3-2 UFC)
L-Zak Ottow (DEC)
L-Neil Magny (SUB)
W-Richard Walsh (DEC)
71Nathan Coy
15-7 (1-2 UFC)
L-Zak Cummings (SUB)
W-Jonavin Webb (DEC)
L-Danny Roberts (SUB)
72Dominique Steele
14-9 (1-4 UFC)
L-Luke Jumeau (DEC)
L-Court McGee (DEC)
L-Danny Roberts (DEC)
73Davi Ramos
6-2 (0-1 UFC)
L-Sergio Moraes (DEC)
W-Nick Piedmont (DEC)
W-Mike Flach (SUB)
74Oliver Enkamp
7-1 (0-1 UFC)
L-Nordine Taleb (DEC)
W-Frodi Hansen (TKO)
W-Rickson Pontes (DEC)
75Bobby Nash
8-3 (0-2 UFC)
L-Danny Roberts TKO)
L-Li Jingliang (KO)
W-Lewis Gonzalez (TKO)
76Mickey Gall
4-0 (3-0 UFC)
W-Sage Northcutt (SUB)
W-Phil Brooks (SUB)
W-Michael Jackson (SUB)
77Jessin Ayari
16-4 (1-1 UFC)
L-Darren Till (DEC)
W-Jim Wallhead (DEC)
W-Mickael Lebout (DEC)
78 Sage Northcutt
8-2 (3-2 UFC)
L-Mickey Gall (SUB)
W-Enrique Marin (DEC)
L-Bryan Barberena (SUB)
79Brian Camozzi
7-4 (0-2 UFC)
L-Chad Laprise (TKO)
L-Randy Brown (TKO)
W-Nick Barnes (SUB)
80Jim Wallhead
29-11 (0-2 UFC)
L-Luan Chagas (SUB)
L-Jessin Ayari (DEC)
W-Gennadiy Kovalev (DEC)
81Sabah Homasi
11-6 (0-1 UFC)
L-Tim Means (TKO)
W-Jorge Patino (KO)
W-Vitor Eustaquio (TKO)
82Frank Camacho
20-5 (0-1 UFC)
L-Li Jingliang (DEC)
W-Gun Hwan Park (SUB)
W-Hyun Joo Kim (TKO)
83Charlie Ward
2-3 (0-2 UFC)
L-Galore Bofando (KO)
L-Abdul Razak Alhassan (KO)
W-Gareth Williams (DEC)
84Phil Brooks
0-1 (0-1 UFC)
L-Mickey Gall (SUB)
Ineligible for Rankings
* Suspension
* Inactivity>15 months
* Moving Divisions
* Yet to debut
Nick Diaz
26-9 (7-6 UFC)
NC-Anderson Silva (NC)
L-Georges St.Pierre (DEC)
L-Carlos Condit (DEC)
John Hathaway
17-2 (7-2 UFC)
L-Dong Hyun Kim (KO)
W-John Maguire (DEC)
W-Pascal Krauss (DEC)
Siyar Bahadurzada
22-6-1 (2-2 UFC)
W-Brandon Thatch (SUB)
L-John Howard (DEC)
L-Dong Hyun Kim (DEC)
Rob Wilkinson
09/02/2017
Diego Sanchez
27-10 (16-10 UFC)
L-Al Iaquinta (KO)
W-Marcin Held (DEC)
L-Joe Lauzon (TKO)
Matt Brown
11/11/2017
George Sullivan
17-5 (3-2 UFC)
L-Alexander Yakovlev (KO)
W-Dominic Waters (DEC)
L-Tim Means (SUB)
Yoshihiro Akiyama
14-6 (2-5 UFC)
L-Alberto Mina (DEC)
W-Amir Sadollah (DEC)
L-Jake Shields (DEC)
Rob Wilkinson
11-0 (0-0 UFC)
W-Alexander Poppeck (SUB)
W-Jamie Abdallah (TKO)
W-Daniel Schuardt (SUB)
Siyar Bahadurzada
09/02/2017
Abu Azaitar
13-1-1 (0-0 UFC)
W-Michael Arrant (DEC)
W-Danny Davis (DEC)
W-Ibragim Tibilov (TKO)
Claudio Silva
11-1 (2-0 UFC)
W-Leon Edwards (DEC)
W-Brad Scott (DEC)
W-Xavier Foupa-Pokam (DEC)
Sheldon Westcott
9-3-1 (1-2 UFC)
W-Edgar Garcia (TKO)
L-Pawel Pawlak (DEC)
L-Elias Theodorou (TKO)
Daichi Abe
5-0 (0-0 UFC)
W-Hiromitsu Miura (TKO)
W-Bryson Kamaka (KO)
W-Kenta Takagi (DEC)
Hyun Gyu Lim
09/23/2017
Shinsho Anzai
9-2 (1-1 UFC)
W-Roger Zapata (TKO)
L-Alberto Mina (SUB)
W-Ryo Kawamura (TKO)
Luke Jumeau
09/23/2017
Pascal Krauss
11-2 (2-2 UFC)
L-Hyun Gyu Lim (TKO)
W-Mike Stumpf (DEC)
L-John Hathaway (DEC)
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There are many fighters sporting undefeated records from developing fight scenes, especially abroad. Something we take into consideration is the strength of competition they have faced. If a fighter has compiled a bunch of wins against competition that is lackluster they will likely have a difficult time moving up in the rankings until they face stiffer competition in order for us to accurately predict how they would perform against exceedingly tougher competition.

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  • Richard Edwards

    to bad for rory, the guy he handled so easily is now the champ and he is with bellator. rory total domination over woodley

  • Johny Bravo

    cm punk is higher then nick diaz hehe

  • yossgold

    They update it after every UFC event (at least). Be cool.

  • Joe

    I think that Riddle (and Rivera at Bantamweight) should be out of the rankings until they fight next even though their suspension is over.

    It looks to me like Riddle’s last win over Clements is taken into consideration, if it’s a NC it should be treated as such.

    Just my opinion, keep suspended fighters non-ranked until they fight next.

    • admin

      Hmm, good point. I did remove Diaz, Shields, Leben, and Overeem, but those were longer suspensions.

  • dWd

    Good win for Mike Pierce, i thought Simpson’ corner could have done better to settle him down between rounds,tell him to reset and do same again,not get sloppy,but Mike Pierce is definately a gate keeper, the only guys he lost too are top guys.I hope i’m not wrong about Silva though and he’s only a couple big wins away from a title shot.

    • admin

      I still think Pierce should cut down to 155. It is obvious that he is carrying some extra weight around the midsection and his lack of height and reach does not help him one bit. I’m not sure if I’m ready to label Pierce a gatekeeper at this point. He’d have a decent shot at avenging his losses to Koscheck or Fitch if they were to face off again. Should of, could of though, and you are right, at this point Pierce is sitting on the outside of the top contenders list.

      As for silva, if he beats Fitch, it’s going to be a race between him and Rory MacDonald to see which prospect claims a title shot first. Considering GSP is still welterweight champion, we will likely see Silva claim that future shot if he can win his next couple of fights.

      • dWd

        I may have been wrong about Silva, but i wasn’t wrong about Fitch i’ve always had him top 3 in my rankings. should look at moving Silva down now to around 15 maybe you think? and Demian Maia up. i have Maia at 11 but my rankings look a lot different to yours,i have Fitch and Koscheck higher and Condit and Kampmann lower and of course i still have Diaz and Penn in my top ten.

        • admin

          Maia got a nice boost in the rankings and will hopefully face off with Fitch next. As for Erick Silva, he put on a good performance and his stock did not drop much. I still have him ranked behind a solid grappler like Pierce, but ahead of Story, Alves, Akiyama, Kim, all of whom are struggling or coming off losses themselves.

          I do find some merit behind your Fitch and Koscheck ranked above Condit and Kampmann statement. It all had to do with timing. Fitch and Kos were struggling with injuries and recent losses, while Condit and Kampmann struck while the iron was hot. Do I think Fitch would beat Condit? It would be a great fight that I would be slightly leaning towards Fitch to grind out.

  • dWd

    Erick Silva could be ranked higher and Mike Pierce lower.

    • admin

      I agree, Silva is a future star. If he can get past Fitch, Silva should skyrocket into the Top 5. Pierce’s only losses in recent years have been close decisions to Fitch, Hendricks, and Koscheck. Pierce below Thiago Silva or Rick Story could be debated, but Story is still trying to bounce from his loss to Brenneman. Dong Hyun Kim, Aaron Simpson, Akiyama, etc. could all leapfrog Pierce with a signature win, but the entire welterweight division has been in neutral for the last few months.

  • Joe

    Dude, your rankings are awesome and realistic, some people don’t understand that fighter rankings aren’t just “who I think is better, there’s a lot of “who beat who” other stuff coming into consideration.

    Don’t pay attention to any of the haters, people who have a problem with your rankings should try maintaining their own ranking lists and see if they can do a better job.

    No one is forcing them to use yours.

    • admin

      Thank you, I appreciate the respectful comments.

  • Poop

    Kampmann should be ahead of Koscheck, easily.

  • Beighz

    Brenneman 8?   lol

    • admin

      I moved Brenneman down this week, feeling that Diego Sanchez and Martin Kampmann deserve a bump up comparing their recent fight history with Brenneman, Story, Alves, etc. Brenneman may not have won pretty, but he won and knocked off one of the fastest rising stars in the 170-pound division.

    • Honest man

      None of the above comments make sense, i think  the rankings here are almost a hundred percent right, Kampmann is not ahead of Koshchek, Brenneman deserves to be at where it is, and why would anyone care about the 25th place and under? your lame

      • Joe

        To be fare, the comments ARE from 2011 🙂